9 comments

  • jhogervorst 2 hours ago
    According to some people on X, they shut down immediately, while rides were still active. Sounds like an unplanned (and quite crazy) action.

    https://x.com/gergelyorosz/status/2095256757178188113

    • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
      Given Uber is one of the few companies who are lucky enough to have a separate page for all the controversies on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Uber), they also have their own fair of experience with police raids on their offices. They've also used "‘kill switch’ during raids to stop police seeing data" (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak...) before, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort of legal "kill switch" or whatever that got triggered, so they can get rid of everything faster.
      • bossyTeacher 1 hour ago
        > They've also used "‘kill switch’ during raids to stop police seeing data

        If Uber wasn't a VC backed company, they would have been charged with destruction of evidence or similar.

        • minraws 58 minutes ago
          They likely were but Companies don't go to jail they pay fines
          • abdullahkhalids 23 minutes ago
            Shops and factories can be temporarily shut down if they don't comply with regulations. Businesses that require licenses like law practices may similarly have to stop operations. That is half of going to jail.

            Unfortunately, the growth potential that software industry generally provides has generally prevented governments for creating and enforcing similar laws for software products and such.

    • 1970-01-01 2 hours ago
      This is hilarious. They are legally kidnappers at this point. No reason to even stop the ride and let you get out for free.
  • tristanj 2 hours ago
    Makes sense, Uber's 30-50% cut is far too much. How can they compete with inDrive which only takes 10%. And on inDrive you set your own fare.

    Rides are 20-40% cheaper elsewhere, why would anyone pay extra for Uber?

    • Loughla 1 hour ago
      I would pay extra because I don't want the cognitive load of haggling on the cost. When I want/need A ride, it's because I'm either overloaded, away from home, or drunk. These are three times that I didn't want to bother with any more nonsense.
      • samrus 1 hour ago
        Its not that much. And you can just bypass it by accepting the first offer you get
        • landl0rd 24 minutes ago
          In a system where you are expected to haggle taking the opening price puts a pretty heavy tax on everything. It's more work to get to a vaguely similar equilibrium distributed slightly less evenly when you look at big markets for similar things.
      • bdangubic 1 hour ago
        haggling when drunk is super fun
        • mythrwy 1 hour ago
          but haggling with drunks is not
          • em-bee 13 minutes ago
            your uber driver better not be drunk, so that's not a passenger problem, but only a driver problem
          • Waterluvian 27 minutes ago
            I’d sooner drink with hags.
    • blovescoffee 1 hour ago
      One anecdote for a datapoint: Not sure if it's better now but I've lost a phone in an InDrive and I've lost an expensive bag in an Uber and it was significantly easier and less sketchy to get the bag back. I'm not a price sensitive rider so the insurance of a reputable 'comfort' tier Uber driver paid off. The InDrive driver made me get another ride to him then demanded $1000mxn (~$55usd) to return my phone. The Uber app had me pay ~$250mxn if I remember correctly and the driver promptly returned the bag.
      • tristanj 1 hour ago
        I have a controversial take: outside the US/Europe, Uber is mostly a tourist app.

        If you actually live in developing regions:

        1) your income is much lower, and you are quite price sensitive. The Uber price premium (20-40%) hits much harder.

        2) the Uber alternatives are noticeably cheaper for the exact same trip.

        Regarding your experience, if you were local, that inDrive driver likely would not have tried to extort $1000 MXN out of you. They saw you were a visitor and took advantage of you.

        In Nigeria or Uganda there are few tourists, so Uber cannot rely on a stream of price-insensitive travelers to fill their cars. It makes total sense why they struggled in (and gave up on) the local market there.

        • dhruvrrp 10 minutes ago
          Uber isn't cheaper in India, but most people in urban areas prefer taking it over local alternatives or taxis. The cars are actually regular taxis, but the Uber tax is worth it over taxis for the convenience and potential safety/driver verification.
        • quirino 35 minutes ago
          My experience in Brazil: Uber is way cheaper here. Compared to what I paid in San Francisco, I'd estimate a ~10x difference. And things here are rarely 10x cheaper. The difference in restaurants is probably less than ~2x.

          My point being it probably feels like less of a luxury for us than for people in the US.

          I'd say it's probably the most popular app too. I've never met people who used others.

        • mvdtnz 1 hour ago
          Your take isn't controversial, it's just wrong. And you seem to be implying everywhere outside of USA and Europe is a developing region?
          • tristanj 44 minutes ago
            You claim it's wrong, yet don't bother to justify your position at all.

            I've ridden on Uber, Lyft, Bolt, Grab, inDrive, Careem, Yandex Go, Gojek, DiDi, Kakao T; and in my experience, outside the US/Europe (plus a few others), Uber is mostly for tourists. The alternatives are cheaper.

            > implying everywhere outside of USA and Europe is a developing region

            I'm not doing so at all. Those are separate sentences.

      • croes 48 minutes ago
        Could simply be because it’s a phone which nowadays is a considered bigger loss than a bag means bigger chance of extorting money to give it back.
    • itsamario 51 minutes ago
      Insurance goes up. Who knows how much liability they need to cover transportation. They likely deal with claims of being kidnapped or held hostage by driver on a regular basis.
    • Razengan 48 minutes ago
      Man in some of the shitty countries I've had the misfortune of living in, taxi drivers were outright predatory and sometimes downright hostile. Uber was a godsend in such environments.
    • 486sx33 2 hours ago
      30% is fair. Don’t like it start a cab company
  • melodyogonna 28 minutes ago
    Uber was never really in Nigeria much, despite apparently being here a long time. I use ride-hailing a lot, and I've never used it because it is not available in my state, or in most states, for that matter.
  • oriettaxx 4 minutes ago
    lucky you!
  • alephnerd 2 hours ago
    Bolt (the CEE ridesharing app) is the primary player in Nigeria. In Uganda it's primarily a bunch of local startups.
  • swimminglala88 2 hours ago
    why they do that
    • tristanj 2 hours ago
      In developing countries, the taxi market is largely unregulated and Uber faces actual competition. Uber cannot compete on price in these regions.
      • wolvoleo 1 hour ago
        Even in countries where taxis are regulated, sometimes Uber is more expensive but safer. Like in Romania. When I used to go there a lot the official taxis were mandated to offer such low standardized rates that there was a lot of scamming going on. One of my colleagues was basically abducted by a taxi driver (taken to a dangerous gypsy area and told they would kick him out of the car unless he paid them hundreds of euro). Uber was a lot safer because you have tracability on the driver, but more expensive too. And there weren't a lot of them.

        There were ways to get safe drivers in some cases by booking them through the yellow machines. But in the end the company hired private drivers for us. Though personally I would just use the metro and tram a lot too :P If you know where you're going it's not a dangerous place.

        Not sure if the taxi situation is still as bad there by the way. I would hope not.

      • adleyjulian 13 minutes ago
        It is precisely in unregulated markets I would want to use a ride shape app else they'd try to scam you on the price. Multiple times I've had drivers attempt to triple the agreed to price, or I'd have to haggle them down before the ride etc. This was over 20 years ago and Uber and the like did away with all that.
      • chermi 1 hour ago
        Does no one have any memory of what taxis were like and how much they cost? The taxis are gone because they weren't competitive.
        • SoftTalker 54 minutes ago
          And taxis weren't competitive because they were heavily regulated in most markets by a medallion system that artificially kept the supply low.
        • bdangubic 1 hour ago
          taxis “weren’t competitive” when Uber rides were heavily subsidized and Uber was burning billions. I ride taxi now exclusively because it is almost always cheaper than Uber
          • jojobas 1 hour ago
            A taxi to the airport in Melbourne was >AUD100 from where I am more than 10 years ago. An Uber is ~AUD70 still, past all the subsidies.
            • tclancy 52 minutes ago
              Yes but what’s a taxi to the airport cost now? Otherwise the comparison doesn’t mean much.
      • noeltock 1 hour ago
        Even in Ukraine, it's far more expensive than the local equivalent which works flawlessly.
      • ttoinou 1 hour ago
        Counterpoint : in Portugal they are regulated under TVDE, and Uber is competitive with Bolt
      • aleksandrm 1 hour ago
        In other words Uber did not bribe the politicians enough in their favor, market was not favorable for them, so they exited.
      • PunchyHamster 1 hour ago
        their only leg up in 1st world countries was largely going around any laws governing taxis
        • tristanj 1 hour ago
          I disagree, that was only true 15 years ago. In developed countries, ride hailing is highly regulated. Uber is one of the few companies willing to implement all the required rules and procedures.
    • mvdtnz 59 minutes ago
      Read the article to find out.
  • hduto 2 hours ago
    Driving for Uber in Lagos I suspect has to be very challenging
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