13 comments

  • edot 1 hour ago
    "Wyden has also warned about a classified interpretation of Section 702 that he says multiple administrations have relied on and refused to declassify. “When it is eventually declassified,” he said in March, “the American people are going to be stunned that it took so long and that Congress had been debating this authority with insufficient information.”"

    Spying on American citizens is a bipartisan point of agreement.

    • koops 37 minutes ago
      To be fair, the one raising this point, Wyden, is a Democrat.
      • BoofMcQueen42 32 minutes ago
        Wyden is an aberration. He (unfortunately) does not represent the party on these issues.
      • jagged-chisel 34 minutes ago
        The one raising the point. Apparently standing alone amongst otherwise bipartisan support of spying on Americans.
        • advisedwang 25 minutes ago
          Wyden is the ranking D member of the intelligence committee (ie would be chair under a D senate). He's not some maverick bucking his party, this is the expression of the party position.
          • oliwarner 16 minutes ago
            If that were the case, they'd have done something about it before. This doesn't appear to be new.
            • iAMkenough 11 minutes ago
              Hopefully the party learned something from Biden’s four years.
    • Larrikin 27 minutes ago
      I love the both siding argument springing up right before election day.
      • trinsic2 22 minutes ago
        You know what I love? We have spent over 100 years going back and forth on party politics. It has done nothing to move the bar on justice. The democrats silently allow the same things under the radar while the republicans do things out in the open. Its the carrot and the stick approach. Populism isn't working. We need to focus on systemic change. Both parties are filled with institutionalists that will do nothing to stop the real abuses because they gain significantly by keeping things they way they are..
        • thinkcontext 2 minutes ago
          > We have spent over 100 years going back and forth on party politics. It has done nothing to move the bar on justice.

          You think there have been no advancements in "justice" since 1926? Either you are being hyperbolic, have no knowledge of history or you have a very idiosyncratic definition of justice.

        • b3ing 15 minutes ago
          How can you change anything when the system is built with a fundamental flaw, the constitution never incorporated ethics, it was supposed to be up to the people to vote in ethical people, but that failed. The ones that benefit are corrupt and won’t change it, and good luck on getting enough people voted in power with a conscience to change it and not be swayed by power and money.
        • Larrikin 19 minutes ago
          State an actual solution, you're just making a covert both sides argument under the guise of a longer rant.
          • NDlurker 16 minutes ago
            It is both sides. Republicans accelerate it, but Democrats don't shut it down when they have the chance. Obama and Biden had 12 years to fix it.
      • edot 6 minutes ago
        It literally is both sides though. Congress, courts, and executive all love spying, have for decades. Do you have evidence that the Democrats have tried to curtail anything?
      • StanislavPetrov 22 minutes ago
        It's all one side as far as I'm concerned and always has been.
    • podgorniy 28 minutes ago
      Spying on American citizens and going together on Lolita Express to Epstein island...
  • TheCoelacanth 1 hour ago
    Secret courts are anathema to democracy and need to be abolished.
    • tastyfreeze 29 minutes ago
      I came to say the same thing. The secret courts and even the administrative agency courts should not exist. They are a violation of our rights. Any court where the prosecution, judge and jury are all government employees is a gross abuse of authority.
  • silverFork 17 minutes ago
    How it is done, everybody knows how.. backdoors in servers, back door in communication equipment, decryption method for of all that goes through fiber in entire world.. Massive data storage to store everything. How is not an issue; every node and communication, hardware and software has a backdoor.

    Do they have the right to tap into world communication as well as their own is the issue? They are not challenged by apposing parties and their own population or people have given up.

    Perhaps there will be a disaster is waiting with all these backdoors and Ai supremacy.

    • p-e-w 13 minutes ago
      > Perhaps there will be a disaster is waiting with all these backdoors and Ai supremacy.

      Absolutely. AI only needs to bring the keys, and everything else will be waiting for it on a silver platter. And AI is really good at making spare keys.

  • darksaints 5 minutes ago
    I'm increasingly of the opinion that state secret classification of our law enforcement systems should only exist for a year max. We've abused the system to shield evil people from accountability and to hide evil actions by our government, and that has to change.
  • sharts 33 minutes ago
    This kind of thing will never stop. And those who control it have all the leverage and power.

    Perhaps all the spying data should just be publicly accessible and easily accessible for all to use and abuse.

    Would democratizing it all so there is never an expectation of privacy from the public vs a select few in power be better in the long run?

  • V__ 20 minutes ago
    I will always be baffled by the dichotomy of "the US has the most freedom" and "no democratic country spies more on its citizens".
    • reader9274 12 minutes ago
      I bet you that China, Russia and the UK rank higher
      • john_strinlai 1 minute ago
        >China, Russia

        both notorious for bragging about being the most free country on earth

      • laylower 9 minutes ago
        Are China and Russia democracies?
  • crmd 11 minutes ago
    This capability virtually guarantees that the next generation of Nelson Mandellas, Julian Assanges, <insert national activist of your choice>, etc. gets nipped in the bud long before they become an actual headache to the ruling class. This is why the owners of every country come together to support these technologies, without exception and regardless of political coalition membership.
    • laylower 10 minutes ago
      They are only doing it for the children.
  • matthewmcg 19 minutes ago
    He should go further and describe or read these secret rulings on the Senate floor, where the speech and debate clause protects him.
    • g-b-r 7 minutes ago
      He would most likely not be chosen for the intelligence committee anymore if he did that, it would only be worth before retiring or for something really huge
  • mock-possum 3 minutes ago
    So grateful to have Wyden in my corner. Especially for the last decade or so it sparks joy to fill his bubble in on the ballot.
  • ARandomerDude 36 minutes ago
    The debate about reapproval of section 702 is all theater. Does anyone genuinely believe the government would stop surveilling us if the authorization expired?
  • advisedwang 27 minutes ago
    They don't want the public to see the big green "APPROVED" rubber stamp that the FISC uses.
  • tokai 35 minutes ago
    This headline has been relevant since 2001.
  • baggachipz 27 minutes ago
    > The Trump administration has until November 6 to answer the senators.

    How convenient that this is right after the midterm elections. If they maintain control, the republicans can simply decide to ignore this requirement without penalty.

    • CWuestefeld 25 minutes ago
      Remind me in February to look back at how much the Democrats have done about it.
      • trinsic2 16 minutes ago
        Yep this authoritarian movement is much bigger than the parties. We will see, again and again, how much it matters and the go back to the same old game every election and everyone will forget about how they have been played the first time. Im so sick of this corrupt system.